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post #1 of 7Old01-11-2016, 10:03 AM - Thread Starter
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Canton AS 20 SC sub. Looking for a low-cost upgrade.
I recently started putting together my first home theater setup, and am doing so on a very modest budget. I bought an older Canton AS 20 SC subwoofer at a thrift shop for $10, and am using that with a Denon AVR-1913 and a pair of KEF Q10 bookshelf speakers for the fronts (no center or surrounds yet). The Canton sub seems to work well, especially for what i paid for it, lol. However, I know that technology has come a long way since it was made (15? years ago). I would like to upgrade it eventually, and was wondering what you guys/gals might recommend. The Polk PSW505 on Amazon seems to be a great value at $169, but man is it huge! Is there anything else you would suggest, perhaps more compact, maybe even less expensive, but still a considerable upgrade from the Canton? FYI, the Canton is an 8' sub, 60 Watts continuous, in a bandpass cabinet. Dimensions are 10 1/4 x 15 3/8 x 16 7/8.
Thanks in advance for the input.
Thanks in advance for the input.
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You're limited by wanting to keep a small shape. Large sound takes a lot of space and a lot of power. There's loud, low, small, and cheap; pick any three.
If you want to keep things pretty small, think about this sub and cabinet with this plate amp. It'll be tremendously better than an 8' speaker with 60 watts. It won't come close to something like a ported 15', but it's a lot smaller and cheaper.
If you want to keep things pretty small, think about this sub and cabinet with this plate amp. It'll be tremendously better than an 8' speaker with 60 watts. It won't come close to something like a ported 15', but it's a lot smaller and cheaper.
post #3 of 7Old01-11-2016, 12:07 PM - Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by rsvr79
You're limited by wanting to keep a small shape. Large sound takes a lot of space and a lot of power. There's loud, low, small, and cheap; pick any three.
If you want to keep things pretty small, think about this sub and cabinet with this plate amp. It'll be tremendously better than an 8' speaker with 60 watts. It won't come close to something like a ported 15', but it's a lot smaller and cheaper.
Yeah, you are right. I definitely understand that displacement is important, and that comes largely with size. On second thought, I'll disregard size as being a limitation.If you want to keep things pretty small, think about this sub and cabinet with this plate amp. It'll be tremendously better than an 8' speaker with 60 watts. It won't come close to something like a ported 15', but it's a lot smaller and cheaper.
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Thanks for the recommendation on the DIY route. I'd love to do a project like this!
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Originally Posted by rsvr79
You're limited by wanting to keep a small shape. Large sound takes a lot of space and a lot of power. There's loud, low, small, and cheap; pick any three.
If you want to keep things pretty small, think about this sub and cabinet with this plate amp. It'll be tremendously better than an 8' speaker with 60 watts. It won't come close to something like a ported 15', but it's a lot smaller and cheaper.
Actually, now that I think about it, I have two Image Dynamics 8' subs in my truck, and was thinking of downgrading to only one. I don't need/want that much bass in my vehicle. Do you think this sub would be any good for a DIY home-theater sub project? Or is 8' just too small to bother with? If you want to keep things pretty small, think about this sub and cabinet with this plate amp. It'll be tremendously better than an 8' speaker with 60 watts. It won't come close to something like a ported 15', but it's a lot smaller and cheaper.
http://www.woofersetc.com/p-2643-id8...subwoofer.html
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That's not going to do a whole lot. It's easy to get powerful bass in a car because there's only a very small, enclosed space that you need to pressurize. In a house it's different. A car might have 100-200 cf that the woofer needs to pressurize. A small bedroom (12x13x8) has over 1200 cf. A large living room with vaulted ceilings in a house with an open floor plan might have 10,000+ cf to fill. That's why you'll see most people on the DIY forum do at least one 18, if not two or more, with multiple thousands of watts driving them.
If I was putting a 2.1 into my bedroom, I would probably do the 10' kit that I linked earlier, because I'm balancing size vs. performance. I might jump up to two 10's, or two 12's if I thought I could hide them pretty well. Multiple subs also help to smooth out response at the listening point. If I was putting subs into my living room and I couldn't fit two 18's, then I'd go for two 15's as a compromise. They can also be disguised as end tables or other furniture to help them blend in.
If I was putting a 2.1 into my bedroom, I would probably do the 10' kit that I linked earlier, because I'm balancing size vs. performance. I might jump up to two 10's, or two 12's if I thought I could hide them pretty well. Multiple subs also help to smooth out response at the listening point. If I was putting subs into my living room and I couldn't fit two 18's, then I'd go for two 15's as a compromise. They can also be disguised as end tables or other furniture to help them blend in.
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Originally Posted by rsvr79
That's not going to do a whole lot. It's easy to get powerful bass in a car because there's only a very small, enclosed space that you need to pressurize. In a house it's different. A car might have 100-200 cf that the woofer needs to pressurize. A small bedroom (12x13x8) has over 1200 cf. A large living room with vaulted ceilings in a house with an open floor plan might have 10,000+ cf to fill. That's why you'll see most people on the DIY forum do at least one 18, if not two or more, with multiple thousands of watts driving them.
If I was putting a 2.1 into my bedroom, I would probably do the 10' kit that I linked earlier, because I'm balancing size vs. performance. I might jump up to two 10's, or two 12's if I thought I could hide them pretty well. Multiple subs also help to smooth out response at the listening point. If I was putting subs into my living room and I couldn't fit two 18's, then I'd go for two 15's as a compromise. They can also be disguised as end tables or other furniture to help them blend in.
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the reply. If I was putting a 2.1 into my bedroom, I would probably do the 10' kit that I linked earlier, because I'm balancing size vs. performance. I might jump up to two 10's, or two 12's if I thought I could hide them pretty well. Multiple subs also help to smooth out response at the listening point. If I was putting subs into my living room and I couldn't fit two 18's, then I'd go for two 15's as a compromise. They can also be disguised as end tables or other furniture to help them blend in.
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Originally Posted by jw26
Thanks for the recommendation on the DIY route. I'd love to do a project like this!
Just an FYI that you posted this thread in the DIY section, so expect to get exclusively DIY suggestions in this particular thread.(Absolutely nothing against DIY - I'm just finishing up my first DIY experience and it's been great with all the support from folks in this forum!)
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